Gathering 2005 Sun Valley, Part 3

Guilt and Karma
Audience: Is that something like the person who can't seem to take
responsibility for his own choices and blames others for their
troubles?

JJ: The person who suppresses and denies will often blame others.
Often this person will describe others in what is really a
self-description. Have you ever had someone do that to you? Call
you a liar and you're not lying at all but you've noticed that they
lie a lot?

Audience: Some people project their feelings on to someone else
because they don't take responsibility for them.

JJ: This projection is a very powerful thing. You see it a lot.
Most of these people who do project are suppressing some of these
negative teachings involving guilt. True salvation is to be
delivered from guilt. When I was delivered from guilt it had nothing
to do with any teaching from any religion. It had to do with me
releasing myself from someone else taking the place of God.

This is what happens when the true beast is created. Someone outside
of yourself assumes the authority of God and you give them that
authority. Whether it's a prophet, priest, political leader, it
doesn't matter. If you give them authority over you like God is
supposed to have authority over you then you have an outside God, an
image of God that is incorrect, being your conscience. You're
allowing him to dictate what will make you feel guilty and what won't.

It takes a lot of honesty to eliminate guilt because to eliminate it
you need to go back to your foundation beliefs and ask yourself, "Do
these beliefs still have an effect on me?" Often they will have a
much more powerful effect on you than you can admit.

I've often had the case where I've met someone who claims to have
moved to New Age or metaphysical beliefs and they think they let go
of the old beliefs a long time ago. Then I talk to them about it or
maybe quote some scripture and they get irritable. The reason they
get so irritable is because those old beliefs are still working below
the surface, buried. They're buried in denial.

So we have to go back and unearth and be willing to look at
everything we've ever felt, believed or thought about in the light of
day. Why is Christ called the Lord of Light or Lord of Love?
Because that is how deliverance comes. Deliverance comes through
light and love. Not too many people are truly delivered from guilt.
This is one of the purposes of the COURSE ON MIRACLES. How many read
that?

The whole purpose of that book is to deliver people from guilt. The
exercises are good for this purpose. They don't really say that
point blank but if you look at the principle of the book it's all
about the one principle of delivering people from guilt. The
teaching of every holy man who has ever lived has led up to this one
thing, to deliver us from guilt. But before we can make quantum
movements in evolution we must be delivered from this feeling of
guilt ourselves.

Audience: I watched a program on TV then thought about my own
religious teachings. Confronting someone who says Jesus died for
your sins, I've been thinking about it the past few days. How do you
approach something like that?

JJ: That's much more different than the religions teach. He died
for your sins but in what way? He came and he taught us how to be
released from our guilt and how to deliver ourselves from our sins.
He got killed for teaching that so in that way he died for our sins.

His death by itself doesn't deliver us from our sins. Matter of
fact, Jesus taught the principle that we'll be judged by our works
and that we have to pay for our mistakes to the last farthing. This
is how karma works. When we make a mistake, we have to recompense it
to the last farthing before we can have deliverance from the wheel of
karma. People often ask the question, "Let's suppose you kill a
thousand people. How can you ever be delivered from such a thing?"
If you were a bad guy like Hitler in one life then decided you want
to straighten yourself out, does that mean you need to go through a
thousand lives and be killed a thousand times? No. If you take out
a loan from the bank you have to pay back the full amount say ten
thousand dollars. If when you took out the loan you were making $5
an hour it would take a long time to pay back that money. If a year
goes past and the note is due and you're now making $100 an hour, you
can pay off that loan much faster than you could've earlier because
you're skilled at service and there is a better value for your labor.
It's become much more valuable so you don't have to work as many
hours to pay off that loan because you're now making more money.

This is how it is with karma. As you develop your skills for service
you can pay off a lot of karma with service that will benefit a large
number of people. Or let's suppose you're in a coal mine and
something is happening that may kill a hundred miners and you do
something to save all hundred of them. You've repaid a debt of a
hundred lives. So there are different ways you can pay off your
karma without being killed a thousand times. You pay off the karma
by paying off the amount that is due.

If your power to pay that off is increased, then you can pay it off
quicker. This is what Jesus offered to the twelve disciples when he
called them, this power to pay off their karma through their service.
Through their service they could pay off their karma much faster by
promoting his teachings than they could have otherwise. So, there
are different ways to pay off our karma.

Audience: If someone commits and crime and goes to jail, does going
to jail pay off anything?

JJ: That's a good question. Yes, any type of punishment for a crime
does pay off some karma, but this is a very slow process and often
creates little if any restitution. Paying off karma through service
is much faster.

The advantage the higher lives have isn't the fact that the future is
just there for them but they have greater powers of reasoning, they
can see into the past farther and they can project into the future
farther because they have more formulas figured out than we do but
they're not always right.

Matter of fact, you can't find one prophet that is right more than
about 60% of the time. Nostradamus is quoted quite often but he is
always quoted after the event happens. Have you ever read The
Enquirer or the Weekly World News? Nostradamus predicts the coldest
winter in three centuries next year. Winter comes along and it's
mild and you wonder what went wrong. Then the next one will read
that Nostradamus predicted 911. Why didn't anyone see this before
911? It's because the prediction was somewhat vague. Nostradamus
wrote in such a way, and often the Biblical passages are this way
such as Isaiah and some of the more complicated verses can be
interpreted a lot of different ways.

On hindsight we can say, "Boy it seems to be talking about JFK's
assassination or WWII but nobody figured it all out beforehand.
Every once in awhile somebody figures something out in advance. Some
people read the Bible and say, "Every prophecy Jesus made was
correct." Let's pick one. To the Jews he said, "This temple will be
destroyed so not one stone will be left upon another." This is cited
as a great prediction he made which came true. But did it come true?
The temple was torn down but there is still stones left upon the
other on the wailing wall, right Assaf?

Assaf: Well, nobody is sure that it is actually a part of it.
Scientifically speaking they don't know.

Audience: There is a guy who says that isn't true because the Roman
historians said they did tear the temple down stone by stone and took
thousands of people they captured and made them dig under the stones.
There is a chance that they're wailing at a wall that was really just
a fort.



JJ: So if the wailing wall is really part of the temple the prophecy
didn't come true but if what Larry says is true then the prophecy did
come true. Another prophecy Jesus said was, "He shall see his seed"
and be married and have children. If you read the DaVinci Code he
did see his seed, well he actually didn't because he was crucified
and Mary Magdalene had the baby afterwards.

Audience: The legend says she had a daughter before he was crucified
and a son after.

JJ: If we go by the standard Christian belief that he didn't have
any children then that was a false prophecy but if you ask a standard
Christian, "how can Isaiah by right if Jesus didn't have children?"
They'll say, "The seed is the people who believe in him." There is
always a way to work around prophecy so it fits in somewhere.


Audience: Is it possible that some of these people will be alive
when these events take place and not all of them will die? That's a
hard one to reconcile.

JJ: The way that is reconciled is Jesus says, "This generation shall
not pass away before he will come again." But they say, "This
generation could mean an age." There is a thousand years in that
generation is one interpretation I've heard. Believers, by
stretching the truth, say every single thing has come true. Another
thing about the Bible is that it has been edited off and on by
scribes who add things in to make it more reliable and more
infallible.

But let's look at things we know. There are a lot of people who are
psychics, like modern day prophets. I've met some pretty good
psychics. Some are pretty accurate but none of them are 100%
accurate. The Bible itself said, in the day of Moses, that if a man
comes and makes any prophecy that comes true he must be put to death.
I imagine the prophets were pretty hesitant to make predictions.
It's interesting to think about. Nobody knows the future in all of
its details.

A person who I believe to be a master, Djwhal Khul, who gave the
writings to Alice A Bailey through mental telepathy, has the most
intelligent writings I've ever read. He gives a number of prophecies
in his books. I've found him to be about 60% accurate. I've found
others who are considered to have a prophetic gift to be less
accurate than that. Edward Cayce is probably about 50% accurate. He
predicted Atlantis was going to rise up a long time ago but was wrong.



Quote of the Day:
* I'm sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and
disagree with this administration, somehow you're not patriotic. We
need to stand up and say we're Americans, and we have the right to
debate and disagree with any administration.

* We are Americans, We have the right to participate and debate any
administration.
Hilary Clinton 2003

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